Expanded pump mechanics and pipelines
Make it possible for pumps to be driven by a waterweel or other powersource instead of worker, and add pipelines that can be attached to pumps so you could pump water upwards to an elevated reservoir, directly into water tanks or to irrigation towers. Adding pipelines to the pump imput could allow for more flexibility and make it so you don't need a pump on every level.
I think this will allow for more creativity in water management, wich i find the most fun part about the game.
Comments: 95
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18 Aug, '21
Ben LamotheA system for distributing water across a large colony up a hill or just to automate water supplies would be great.
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16 Sep, '21
Thaina YuI agree on pipe and in conjunction with water building mechanic I proposing here, we could make a reservoir battery
https://timberborn.featureupvote.com/suggestions/214920/
On the other hand. Maybe powered pump might be another building that require research. A smaller pump that need no worker -
16 Sep, '21
Zam!Pipelines IMO should require either advanced metal or bamboo to make - something end game to make them feel like a game changer, not just a skip of having to set up tanks and pumps around the place. I prefer an aqueduct as a cheaper mid-game solution and pipes as an end-game overkill option, or maybe just an advanced version of aqueduct only available to techy IronTeeth beavers.
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16 Sep, '21
pmduda Admin"have a way to produce more water then a hand pump." (suggested by Rob on 2021-09-16), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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16 Sep, '21
Derekthis and the one below could be merged
Aqueducts - elevated water transport -
16 Sep, '21
NathanWater discharge building is kind of dumb and too slow. Why do I need it, beavers could just toss buckets of water!
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17 Sep, '21
KhaimStrongly agree. This game really needs pipes. It's not just timberpunk, it's waterpunk too!
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17 Sep, '21
DeBeeRDont really see the need for pipes (aquaduct's will do the trick), although a way to elevate water on a square would be nais without using the 'stupid' water discharge pump.
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19 Sep, '21
beaverbroPipes/Aquaducts would make it easier to irrigate lands far away from rivers or water sources, or make sure the water supply is well-distributed across the colony. But it prolly also circumvents the purpose of dynamite (since you can create water reservoirs with it) so there's some gameplay balance to consider here. Maybe they should connect only to watertanks or the irrigation tower & require regular maintainance or something
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19 Sep, '21
JoshIf we could get mechanically driven pumps as a technology then It'd be nice to have log pipes accessible early game, perhaps upgradable to closed metal pipes to cut down on evaporation loss later on?
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20 Sep, '21
Snake9 Mergeda way to use excess power to pump water into a dam or water storage you built out Levee blocks for later use for when a drought starts so you can reuse it for power or to be pumped out for you beavers to drink
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21 Sep, '21
jcheung Mergedsee also: https://timberborn.featureupvote.com/suggestions/215305/hydroelectric-dam
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21 Sep, '21
pmduda Admin"Hydro Dam Battery" (suggested by Snake9 on 2021-09-20), including upvotes (1) and comments (2), was merged into this suggestion.
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22 Sep, '21
StroamIf this does get added, I wouldn't add it to every faction.
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25 Sep, '21
Arkosomehow related, I'd like to see a windmill-powered (and so automated) water pump f.e.
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26 Sep, '21
LJ Mergeda water pump that can be powered so you don't need a worker to operate it
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27 Sep, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"powered waterpumps" (suggested by LJ on 2021-09-26), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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28 Sep, '21
Hojo Kamono Mergedit would be nice too see pipping in the game. along with fishing.
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28 Sep, '21
JasonAlternatively, heavier duty water pumps. They would have a footprint smaller than three water pumps, but require two or three beavers to operate and pump the equivalent of three/four/whatever pumps worth of water.
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28 Sep, '21
Arthur NiculitcheffWhile I think powered pumps and leaves on platforms for aqueducts would be a good addition, but I'm afraid pipes would end up making a lot of water manipulation through terrain less relevant.
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29 Sep, '21
BaerIf pumps become a thing the folktale faction could have the polder mill
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29 Sep, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"PIPING" (suggested by Hojo Kamono on 2021-09-28), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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02 Oct, '21
KrufarWater Tower:
Water from your waterpipes cant be pumped up higher then your highest placed water reservoir that's connected to your network. So the big water tank can be attached to piping, and whenyou place it on top of some buildings you get a pressure you can use to reach equal heights. -
03 Oct, '21
mmekI think there are two different issues:
1- (Drinking) Water Pumps/filtration: it'd be good if there was a "larger" version of them, powered or not, powered by manual labour or not. Maybe it could employ larger numbers of beavers (4? 6?), be a 2 height 2x3 or even 3x3 building or something of the sort, with a higher storage capacity to lower the downtime waiting for haulers to take the water away from the pump storage. That'd make it more of an later game thing, like the large water reservoirs; I think even then they'd have to have some beavers overseeing the process.
Since lorewise the water is unsafe for the beavers to drink, it makes sense that they need to pump/filter it before drinking, but it doesen't make as much sense that the water dump uses drinkable water to transfer it to a higher level. Which takes us to the second issue: water lifting. -
03 Oct, '21
mmek2- Water lifting: this is a different issue, since raising large volumes of water is hard work; IIRC that's the reason why throughout history aqueducts relied on gravity and/or sources of water high up to be fed. So imho water lifting mechanisms would need to be a combination of labour intensive, material intensive (paper, iron blocks, etc.) and energy intensive. Othterwise it'd be trivial to manage water.
I suggested once on the forums a shaduf, which is a simple way of lifting water from the source up to irrigation canals. There are also norias, and, more interesingly, foot-powered water wheels found in Japan (search for 足踏み水車). these lift the water just a tad higher (1/2 a meter maybe?),just enough so it reaches the irrigation canal.
We could have 3 "tiers" of water lifting mechanisms, a slow-small-cheap shaduf, a scaled-up foot-powered water wheel, and a endgame noria, able to lift water higer (maybe 2-3h) and faster but taking equally impressive ammounts of power. -
05 Oct, '21
brad hammett MergedYou should create pipes or aqueducts that can run from the dam to irrigation tower...
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06 Oct, '21
Rich Welsh MergedAllow the beavers to drop power pipes under the ground, or at least create a "path bridge" so that paths and pipes can intersect and let beavers cross over.
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06 Oct, '21
Abhinav MehrotraThis is exactly what we need. Upvoted the suggestion.
This is what I wrote in another forum. Pipes + pumped hydro power storage. Hell yeah.
Please introduce a powered water pump with water pipes to create artificial water bodies like lakes, waterfall, pumped hydro storage etc.
One can use extra power during wet season to pump water to a higher reservoir and then use all that stored potential energy during dry season.
Also introduce automation based on the depth gauge we already have in game. So one can open sluice gates, stop pumps if water level gets low. Automation for power would also or river flow would also be nice. When the water level is low or river flow has dried we can open pumped hydro sluice gates to release water for power or irrigation.
A moisture sensor would also be nice. A storage sensor is also a must-have, we can stop production automatically after certain amount is in inventory. -
06 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Add underground power pipes" (suggested by Rich Welsh on 2021-10-06), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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06 Oct, '21
Tuur MergedA water irrigation system, for example from one district to another, or from a water tank to a water dump
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06 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"create pipes" (suggested by brad hammett on 2021-10-05), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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07 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"water pipes" (suggested by Tuur on 2021-10-06), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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09 Oct, '21
MaxI think there's room for 3 different types of pipes-
wooden, unpowered pipes that allow you to build over the normal water level, but cannot handle high pressures or be pumped uphill. These would essentially provide the function of aqua ducts.
Then there could be high pressure metal pipes that could be built to pump water uphill, allowing irrigation without the need of manual water dumps. These could also be built through the base of dams to allow you to make use of the full reservoir.
And finally, hydroelectric turbine pipes, also at the base of the dam that allow you to generate power by letting water through, but very expensive to research, build, and set up.
I believe this thread and the aqua duct thread should be merged. -
15 Oct, '21
RAGMUFFINassassin MergedJust a cool idea me and my uncle had, water pipes say from the water pump to the water containers, thus making the carrying water job nonexistent.
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16 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Water Pipes" (suggested by RAGMUFFINassassin on 2021-10-15), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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21 Oct, '21
AlfredoI'm all in for the pipelines, but i find the whole pumps, being powered by a waterwheel a little unnecessary.
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21 Oct, '21
JoeThis + Aqueducts = win?
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21 Oct, '21
Patrick West MergedIt's nice to be able to transport water from one district to another. But what about rising in elevation. A combination of pumps, pipes and dispensers might work.
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22 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Plumbing" (suggested by Patrick West on 2021-10-21), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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22 Oct, '21
Bernard GPipes is for me a good idea but I seen not only for transport. My proposition is to discorver different elevation by science, pipes with holes (for irigation with a different area if elevated) and blinded pipe to end a route.
Excuse my poor english, I hope that I've been clear. -
22 Oct, '21
Austan MergedIt would be great to be able to hook water tanks or water pumps up to irrigation towers or water dumps. It would be really cool to create aqueducts to make artifical rivers, or just build an aqueduct so the beavers don't have to keep hauling water to every irrigation tower or dump.
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22 Oct, '21
Paniktoni MergedA possibility should be available, to automate the transport from the waterpump to the big water tank, it would be nice to have pipelines or acqueducts carrying the water
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23 Oct, '21
Colin MergedIt would be nice to see a few more options. What exists is fantastic already, but there are some things that I feel are missing. An automatic powered pump, or an aqueduct/pipes, would be really nice. These could be used to create a different faction. In general the gameplay feels a lot just like, unlock science points, build dams. Which is super fun. But a few different options to differentiate one game from another would be fun.
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23 Oct, '21
ZoLatKamImho, like many others here, I think the addition of an Archimedes Screw for uphill and/or vertical water transportation is a great idea!
Instead of making it require power, it could require a worker, as that's how the aforementioned device worked centuries ago.
A rough idea would be to have a small station (perhaps with a 2x2 footprint) that must be built next to the water and then require various pieces (1x1, 1x2, 1x3, 1x4) to be attached to any of the sides not facing the water.
The aforementioned pieces could be produced in the Gear Workshop. -
23 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Water tank / water pump connection to irrigation tower" (suggested by Austan on 2021-10-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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23 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Automated Water" (suggested by Paniktoni on 2021-10-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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24 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Variability" (suggested by Colin on 2021-10-23), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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29 Oct, '21
Kage MergedA simple idea really, but add the ability to connect a water pump directly to one or more water dumps (similar to how power is distributed) or storage tanks. It would remove the ability to distribute water from the pump normally, but would also remove the need for a worker on the receiving end. Attach it to a lower grid, and gain the ability to fill a reservoir from the outside automatically (requires worker to monitor)
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30 Oct, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Suggestion: plumbing to interconnect buildings" (suggested by Kage on 2021-10-29), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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04 Nov, '21
Potato Mergedseriously 300 liters of water by hand to a reservoir is absurd. if i can make it so a pump empties into it from above or some other gravity hack, i shouldn't need manual labor
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04 Nov, '21
MrDeafSome ideas
1. Automated pump that requires X amount of power to pump water at the same rate as standard pump. Balancing can be done with high power requirements.
2a. Piping system that can take water from pumps and send them directly to water storage tanks only. So the pumps can fill up water tanks 24/7, which will alleviate much manual labor, but not provide a direct path to water dumps.
2b. Piping system, but it requires a special set of pipe pumping buildings to function. The main building, Powered water pump, and water dump will draw a base amount of X each. For every 1 block of piping that is added on, an additional 20HP to 50HP will be required to function properly.
3. As an alternative to all of the above, the automated water dump and/or piping system can be horribly inefficient and leaky. The automated water pump and automated water dump can work at 1/2 the work speed of a manual pump. The water dump can lose a further 1/2 of its water when pumping out contents. -
05 Nov, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"water pipes! why would beavers carry water when you can pipe it" (suggested by Potato on 2021-11-04), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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08 Nov, '21
RushifellA powered water lift/pump to bring water to a higher elevation, Piplines, ability to selectively breach a levee in a certain location, all would be useful. Ability to breach a tall levee would permit a filled levee to drain at a certain location rather than only from the top, this would give access to water at the bottom of a reservoir instead of only skimming the top with floodgates that can only go 3 high. If my beavers can build a -printing press- they can make a pipe.
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14 Nov, '21
rodlof06Maybe piping could be available for a new breed of beaver only - maybe even at the expense of some other skill in order to keep the challenge. Example: Maybe the pipelayers have lost their roots and might be bad at foresting, resulting in a percentage of trees always dying? Or pipes could be wooden (= leaky) or metal (= expensive) and have their own down-sides?
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01 Dec, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"Electric Water pump (for drinking)" (suggested by lisle on 2021-11-30), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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14 Dec, '21
sniperman0206 Mergedneed pipe to transport water
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14 Dec, '21
Gin Fuyou Admin"pipes" (suggested by sniperman0206 on 2021-12-14), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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20 Dec, '21
EmanuelIch würde mich freuen, wenn es die Funktion für die Dürreperiode geben würde, dass die Wasserpumpen währenddessen nicht mehr fördern.
I would be happy if there would be the function for the drought period, that the water pumps would stop pumping during that time.
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02 Jan, '22
Stephan MergedWater pips for transporting water from pump.
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02 Jan, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Please add water pipes" (suggested by Stephan on 2022-01-02), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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18 Jan, '22
Alex SPipes would be useful for transporting water across gaps at the same elevation without needing to use a lot of engines to raise the water back up or to make a large canal that blocks all movement and building under it. Aqueducts would look nicer, but apparently can't be done because of how water physics work; pipes could bypass that by not having visible water and just passing "packets" of water across. They would certainly make the Terraces map more spectacular!
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21 Jan, '22
Ken Lalternatively instead of pumps and pipes another way of moving water uphill would be a wooden bucket conveyor. you could imagine beavers building something like this.
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14 Mar, '22
big chunguswater pipes and aqua ducts is a must i reckon would and small engine motors to
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15 Mar, '22
EmmaHaving pipes, to easily move water around your district, but not necessarily between districts
Also a 'medium' water tank would be helpful, as the large one is a pain to build but the small one gets too small very quickly -
19 Mar, '22
Papewaio MergedHi Devs, first off awesome game. I would love more options to move water around such as pipes (larger volumes than pumps). Particularly the Ironteeth pump as it just moves water over a wall. It would be nice to be able to use something other than a levee system (they are fun too). Also making platforms out of iron that can support levees would be interesting.
Resource management becomes tedious. It would be nice to lock particular warehouses to particular production, and to prioritise production just like building.
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20 Mar, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Great Game - Would Love Pipes/Aqueducts" (suggested by Papewaio on 2022-03-19), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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19 Apr, '22
Vaaluin MergedJust a better, more consistent way for us to get water uphill.
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19 Apr, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Pipes and pumping" (suggested by Vaaluin on 2022-04-19), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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06 May, '22
RobertThis would be a great addition. I have issues with bigger colonies where my beavers die of thirst despite several water pumps in water. Not sure if I just don't understand pathing/prioritizing or something, but I don't think it makes sense to have my minions dying of thirst when there is available water and a pump.
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09 May, '22
Tristan MergedIf youre trying to create a new watery area, you can use the water dump but the beaver needs to stay in it consistently in order for the water to continue to fill up. But, if you had the water pump that you could maybe add pipes and have it dump out where you want. So, while to beaver is pumping water, it goes into the new area.
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09 May, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Water Pumps that pump long distance (from one place to another)" (suggested by Tristan on 2022-05-09), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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16 Jun, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"add Water pipelines with pump station" (suggested by Stephan on 2022-06-16), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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01 Sep, '22
Motion MergedNOT MY IDEA. This is iCisa's idea on the irrigation tower system. (I have reposted as this was posted by them in the comments of "suggesting new features").
"My proposal consists of adding three new buildings and two resources to the game:
Buildings
A new water pump (or the same repurposed) - needs access to water and power, generates high pressure water
Pipe maker - makes pipes out of logs
Water supply pipe - similar to power shafts, used to transport high pressure water. Made of pipes.
Types of water pipe: Straight, bend, y and x junctions, straight with valve, faucet (converts high pressure water back to water and floods the surrounding area)
New resources: high pressure water (similar to hp) and pipes.
Additionally, water tanks (of all three types) should be able to connect to the water supply and convert high pressure water back."
I fully support iCisa's idea and I think it's great so I wanted to repost it to make sure it gets the attention it deserves. All cre -
02 Sep, '22
Jcheung Admin"iCisa's Water Irrigation" (suggested by Motion on 2022-09-01), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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05 Sep, '22
tippycI definitely see some game balance issues with this one. Pipes should not be able to lift water higher than the pump's lift rating. If the pump has a lift rating of 2, the pipe shouldn't be able to lift water higher than 2 blocks. However i could see a system of pipes and pumps where you put a pump every 2 blocks vertical, connected with pipes. Using base folktails pump for this argument, but the same could apply for any other pump
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17 Sep, '22
Tim MergedFirst the gravity battery is an awesome addition. It would be nice to see some Pipes for Water, Something like a powered water pump that connects to pipes that can be connected to all your water barrels with the left overs going to a water dump ( if you have one ). Being able to pump water around the map without using Beavers between Districs that are not near water would be great
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18 Sep, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Water Management" (suggested by Tim on 2022-09-17), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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28 Sep, '22
Average Fish Enjoyer Mergedyou can drop off pumped water straight to a barrel or to a lake/river It will be underground network until you have to go above ground. Makes a new "underground railroad" of water.
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28 Sep, '22
SirMichael Admin"Suggestion) Add water pipes" (suggested by Average Fish Enjoyer on 2022-09-28), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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28 Sep, '22
NijeaPanda MergedA mid-game feature I thought would be a big help especially on the large and mountainous maps would be a system of pipes that would be made out of metal. It'd start at a pump house, every time you'd want to take to water up you'd need to build a water booster to push it up. As well as make a type of sprinklers that'd attach to the pipes that your can place over crops that would replace irrigation towers.
Another early/mid-game idea would be aqueducts that could carry water down which ever way you built it, but not up (obviously). They would be unlockable after the 1 or 2 level flood gates but before the 3 flood gate and that could be made out of wood. -
02 Oct, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Piping and aqueducts" (suggested by NijeaPanda on 2022-09-28), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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18 Oct, '22
PouffyPlaceboLove the idea of being able to add pipes to the current in game pump features. lots you could do with just that.
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14 Nov, '22
dylan Mergedadd pipes that carry a certain amount of water also add buildings that require water and power to work.
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14 Nov, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"add pipes" (suggested by dylan on 2022-11-14), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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18 Nov, '22
A beaverWater shafts shouldn't be able to go upwards (not enough pressure or something), only down with gravity, to prevent unbalanced infinite-water-loop power systems etc. But water shafts would be useful for e.g. automatic pump -> pipes -> store water in tanks
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28 Nov, '22
magermhI wonder if this would help me create a reservoir battery. That would take a lot of work but if the return is greater. It would be worth constructing. Interesting idea to add pipes. Water Management maybe something to add with weather. Rain and snow would be interesting. I would not mind a buff to the Folktales irrigation systems having less consumption. Aqueducts would permit me to bring water to water wheels away from the river at much less space of 1 tile vs 3 now. Thinking these advantages should be started in another 3rd faction.
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12 Dec, '22
Eltrotraw MergedI like the game so far, but the droughts - on Normal! - have been incredibly brutal. I think a nice change to help combat this and practice some creativity in build designs (and to help streamline the process) are water pipes to transport the water from the pumps to the water tanks, so to avoid having your beavers trek the water from the pumps to the tanks manually.
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16 Dec, '22
Gin Fuyou Admin"Water pipes" (suggested by Eltrotraw on 2022-12-12), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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17 Feb
TymenazI just looked through the comments and I thought it was a good idea what they side in the comments but the power-powered water pump is a good idea as a different water pump than the water pump that is not powered by power because of the start of a game it is then very irritating to immediately have to act your power. I just wanted to bless that.
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20 Feb
Carmen Mergeddeep mechanical water pump needs pipes to transport water, just like energy
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20 Feb
Jcheung Admin"deep mechanical water pump" (suggested by Carmen on 2023-02-20), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
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05 Mar
B Mergedsome type of pipe or efficient water transfer method similar to the power network
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14 Mar
Gin Fuyou Admin"pipes please?" (suggested by B on 2023-03-05), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
