Ladders and Stairs

Comments: 55

• 28 Aug, '21
  Azdev

  Actually ladders as a concept would be awesome although I'd like to see a limitation to them.
  
  A simple one like, supplies can't be carried up or down ladders.

• 16 Sep, '21
  pmduda Admin

  "Add spiral stairs or something" (suggested by Nitro on 2021-09-16), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 16 Sep, '21
  pmduda Admin

  "corner staircases. two story staircases" (suggested by kyu on 2021-09-16), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 17 Sep, '21
  pmara

  Spiral staircases or corner stairs/turning stairs would be incredibly useful for efficient vertical construction. Now stairs limit multi level building quite much. I consider this feature one of the most pressing matters in future development to make the vertical building design more enjoyable.

• 17 Sep, '21
  Fidget

  A spiral stair would be really useful, something that turns 90 degrees, so you could make a 2x2 spiral staircase to reach higher elevations or just to turn a path 90 degrees without needing platforms.

• 17 Sep, '21
  Stormcaller3801

  A staircase that was also a two-story platform would also be a useful way to implement spiral staircases in a modular format. The staircase rises 1, the platform rises 2, beavers aren't bumping their heads on the platform above yet you still aren't cursed with infinite voids above a staircase.

• 18 Sep, '21
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  You can already place a double platform above stairs

• 18 Sep, '21
  Ephora

  Stackable stairs
  
  I think we should be able to build stairs on top of one another. The stairs on top would connect to the bottom ones with pillars just like platforms.
  The way it is now, you have to place the stairs in a different spot every time you go up a floor, which makes it hard to have tidy buildings.

• 19 Sep, '21
  Trippen

  My suggestion for a ladder is instead of going up one space it could go up 2 with a speed penalty. Maybe research options for taller and sturdier ladders that cost more (using metal for example). Maybe make it faction specific and the ironborn get elevators of sorts.

• 20 Sep, '21
  Lydia

  Yes please!!!!! Spiral stairs and/or stairs with a corner built in would be marvelous - it's currently very hard to try to plan and build things vertically because it takes so much space to build all the necessary stairways, especially because they get in the way of doorways!

• 20 Sep, '21
  Björn Björkman Bäckström

  I agree, a stair that turns would make stair towers so much nicer to make. At the moment it's possible to make a stair going up an arbitrary height with a way to exit on every level by using a 3x3, 2 layer repeating build. With curved stairs, you'd be able to make it look nicer and if you want to exit every other level, a bit more compact.

• 23 Sep, '21
  Ncc1702

  The Forester has a ladder in it already and I can see one being modeled after it work well.
  
  The ladder could function such that it is two tall by default but can be stacked and a full arrangement requires one space on the bottom with one space above it in a straight line so contrasted with stairs which need a 3x1 space to effectively move up one tile a ladder would be a 2x1 space with a seemingly infinite height in units if two.

• 23 Sep, '21
  Spookyjonson

  Agreed! I actually thought the beavers could climb up stacked house buildings without needing stair access when I first started playing lol. Ladders or a rope system would be really cool and much more cost efficient

• 25 Sep, '21
  Lion-Rye

  1 2 and 3 size laders

• 25 Sep, '21
  Enginerd

  DEFINITELY corner stairs, they would eliminate 60% of footprint & material to bank up to the next level. Ladders should be very cheap and easy to place (even on a path adjoining a building) as the ladder block shouldn't actually occupy it's tile. For fair-play, as in real life, ladders should sacrifice travel speed (50% of stairs).

• 26 Sep, '21
  Arko

  I'd find use of ladders or even scafold as temporary stuff to help building.
  For example, I sometimes need to build some full platform and stairs structure to build in a deep canyon, it is a bit to have to destroy the whole afterwards, when some lighter and less expansive structure could make this.

• 27 Sep, '21
  EdesRozsa

  Ladders or corner stairs are really becoming a must the longer you play.
  
  To build lodges on top of warehouses, and then rooftop terraces, the stair combinations actually take up more room than the actual buildings -- and that's crazy. But with ladders I agree with the limitation that resources should not go up ladders, just empty beavers.
  
  To go up one level and turn 90 degrees currently requires a minimum of four squares. With cornered stairs, that would take only three. With corner stairs, resources can go up, but at a speed or strength reduction possibly, due to having to navigate a corner?

• 27 Sep, '21
  jarquafelmu

  I would love to see ladders so that you can build from the top of a cliff down to the bottom. Currently, the only way to scale down a cliff is to get the bottom and then build a staircase going up

• 28 Sep, '21
  Thefirewarde

  Ladders as a cheap, early low/no tech option, obviously with a major penalty to connectivity or carrying capacity or speed so that stairs are better if they're available and there's space, would do a ton to stop newer or careless players using up all the available resources and being completely stuck on a cleared out tier with nice trees totally inaccessible one z-level away. Likewise, there would be niche circumstances like city center apartment blocks where ladders would make sense.

• 29 Sep, '21
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "scale" (suggested by andrea on 2021-09-28), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 12 Oct, '21
  FalconAt

  Rather than a carrying issue, I think ladders could be constrained by entry and and exit, just like stairs and suspension bridges. You can only enter one way and exit the other. In this, the ladder would essentially be a double/triple stair.

• 11 Nov, '21
  Morfetico Merged

  couldn't be built in top of another ladder, would be easier to climb high place and will help alot with construction, like using on scaffolding

• 11 Nov, '21
  Zam! Admin

  "Rope Ladder concept" (suggested by Morfetico on 2021-11-11), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 18 Nov, '21
  senior Merged

  can be walked buy and stacked
  for easier verticality in building

• 18 Nov, '21
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "ladders" (suggested by senior on 2021-11-18), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 27 Nov, '21
  Richard

  i would even like it if they would add a 2x2 stairway that Goes up 1 floor and is stack able

• 03 Jan, '22
  TTJ

  I am actually against ladders. They would need so little space that it would almost feel like cheating! However, cornered staircases would be a good compromise and would be really helpful.

• 04 Jan, '22
  Traktorfisch

  I think stackable stairs and curve stairs combined are the better alternative. It's hard to carry goods on ladders, but stackable stairs in straight, and 90° left and right turn, would still allow lots of freedom with building. Maybe make them "expensive" by requiring metal or enhanced planks.

• 09 Jan, '22
  steve Merged

  it is hard to build vertical structures sometimes because you have to make extra room for staircases. for instance: i cannot build a small house on top of another small house with a single block inset because it will not leave enough room for a staircase - so I have to inset the second layer of houses two blocks, causing the structure to take up a much larger footprint. A ladder that did not obstruct walking paths would help me build cooler more vertical structures.

• 09 Jan, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "Ladders would be cool" (suggested by steve on 2022-01-09), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 22 Feb, '22
  Rachelle Merged

  I think you could do wooden ladders that can only go up three height units and reinforced-metal ones that can go a bit higher. Make it so beavers cannot haul up a ladder unless they are a hauler with the little backpacks. This would be great for establishing new districts.

• 23 Feb, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "Suggestion - We need ladders" (suggested by Rachelle on 2022-02-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 11 Mar, '22
  eleazzaar

  I think a reasonable downside to ladders is that the beavers would move up and down more slowly, and they would have a greater reduction to work range than stairs.

• 29 Jun, '22
  BF

  I'd vote against ladders. Stair improvements, like corner stairs, would be terrific, and they deserve their own topic apart from ladders. Another idea would be diagonal stairs, which allow entry from more than one adjacent tile on the top and/or bottom. This might be depicted visually with broad curved steps, and it could be balanced by requiring metal (since planks wouldn't be sufficiently supported in a curved configuration).

• 15 Jul, '22
  Prometheus0000000

  Should ladders and spiral/corner stairs really be combined into the same suggestion? I'd vote for corner stairs, but not ladders.

• 15 Jul, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  Corner \ spiral stairs voting is here https://timberborn.featureupvote.com/suggestions/216620/curved-stairs-spiral-angled-turning-stair
  This one considered mostly for ladders

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  21 Jul, '22
  Gene Merged

  The ladder would look like a little ladder in a 1x1 platform. Possibly it could scale.
  
  Importantly, it would still have a directionality at the top side, though not at the bottom.
  
  For balance reasons, cheaper to build but beavers can't carry loads over through it. best for making dense housing blocks.
  
  IMG credit to https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby

• 22 Jul, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "Ladder Block!" (suggested by Gene on 2022-07-21), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 22 Jul, '22
  ItDoesntMatter Merged

  Game needs ladders and different types of vertical power shaft.

• 28 Jul, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin Merged

  https://timberborn.featureupvote.com/suggestions/215369/split-high-power-shaft-into-horizontaltovertical-shaft-turns-and-straight-vertic

• 28 Jul, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "Game needs ladders and different types of vertical power shaft." (suggested by ItDoesntMatter on 2022-07-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (1), was merged into this suggestion.

• 04 Aug, '22
  Andre

  ladders would definitely be more convenient, but feels like a cheat. Hard to imagine a beaver climbing a ladder. Agree w the folks who suggested stacked or spiral staircases instead

• 11 Aug, '22
  L

  I'd like ladders for early game alternatives. To balance them with alternatives I'd make the movement reduced by 50% on them.
  
  I see a lot of people talking about spiral staircases... well you're only talking about this because of the current stair design.
  The problem with the current stairs is the lack of path on on the sides, if that was a thing the basic stairs would work as a spiral staircase reducing the footprint to a 2x2... since this isn't it increases it to a 3x3 or 2x3 if you don't mind not reaching all floors. What you're asking is basically this, a smaller footprint to go up and their required platforms.
  
  Ladder: +1
  Staircase: -1
  Change on current stairs: +1

• 24 Aug, '22
  Knatte_Anka

  Spiral Staircases and Ladder and Vertical powershaft exist in mods for Experimental see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15juA0Fl6ZjbYmoNTg_vjMophBvtjMz8YNUI_KmNdtdg/edit#gid=0 for supported mods per version

• 08 Sep, '22
  Bryan Wenzel

  Game 100% would benefit from stairs. They're amazing! But don't think movement speed should suffer... not every new idea or "improvement" item should REQUIRE negative-balancing....just make them cost a buttload of research points.

• 22 Nov, '22
  Fred Merged

  i have made 18 gravity batteries and its so annoying the amount of times I've wasted materials or not had enough room to place things to vertically.
  i suggest a 1x1 ladder made of 3 logs for 150 science to make vertical buildings. make it so that if you have a 3 x platform you got to make ladders going up and have to make three of them and a path entrance on it. have the ladders connect to the corner posts of the 1x1x3. that would make my life a lot easier if I wanna build to the sky <3 i love this game so much

• 23 Nov, '22
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "add some ladders like paths to make making vertical structures easier D:" (suggested by Fred on 2022-11-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 01 Jan
  DutchPro Merged

  I made 3 useful screenshots for this post: https://imgur.com/a/tvePZgl
  
  In order to connect your buildings, you can build pathways. This is quite easy when everything is on the same level.
  However, once you want to start saving space, you start building vertically.
  
  Whenever you want to create the platforms necessary it quickly becomes messy.
  To solve this, me and most master builders like to shove the platforms in the middle of towers. This way you require less space for platforms, and you can't see them.
  However, this limits your ability to face buildings outward.
  
  Ideas:
  One way is to drastically change pathing. Such as including ladders. I am not the biggest fan of this, I enjoy the challenge of creating the shortest distances with stairs/spirals.
  
  Introduce streamlined platforms/stairs. I would love to see wallhung stairs/paths, allows non solid buildings to have pathways above them on the wall. Also less 'present'/'busy' looking platforms could be nice

• 03 Jan
  Gin Fuyou Admin

  "Platforms, a discussion" (suggested by DutchPro on 2023-01-01), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

• 05 Jan
  RedFussball

  we need vertical stairs

• 08 Jan
  TherealIrontooth

  In my mind, ladders can be placed on cliffs and ledges, costing more resources to build the further it reaches down. I also like the Idea of a natural version in vine form. Of course as many people pointed out, ladders would need a stiff carrying limit, maybe except for distributors since they carry the stuff on their backs.
  Another Idea would be a mechanical elevator (cabin size of a small warehouse) or a mechanical goods elevator (cabin size of medium warehouse) which can be operated with power. That could create a nice balance between good old staircases and a ladder/elevator combo.

• 10 Feb
  Lndr

  Platform stairs : stairs on the bottom of a double (or triple) platform.
  
  Also 90 degree turn in regular stairs as suggested by many above.

• 21 Feb
  L

  @Bryan Wenzel
  It's actually not a "negative-balancing", it's actually a buff.
  If you cared to look into it you'd realize that the number of tiles the beavers move going up or down is always >= to the penalty I mentioned. A penalty of 50% would be the same as moving the double amount of tiles, and they take a lot more on current state going around, while also having a bigger footprint.
  
  I didn't say to forbid to carry items (as someone else did), now that would be a negative balancing that would limit the use of ladders.
  If they don't put it in game players will just use the mod.
  
  Since the addition of the automatons it makes even less sense, they can make robots but not a casual staircase or a paternoster lift (those old lifts that didn't stop and worked on a loop) <.<

• 21 Feb
  L

  Soon the start of this suggestion will be 2 years old and it's still under consideration.
  For those on the fence on these suggestions please enlighten me, in what world do you live that your home has a smaller footprint than the staircase leading to it? That's the case in game.
  
  Ladder/Up-Down stairs: +1 (1x1 with a potential handicap of -50% move speed)
  Change on stairs: +1 (allowing path on the sides making footprint 2x2 as it makes a spiral staircase)
  Paternoster lift: +1 (2x1 lift, one tile goes up the other goes down)

• 04 Mar
  Jcheung Admin

  there are about 3k things marked with "under consideration". if you really desperately want ladders, there are mods for that.
  if you want it vanilla, keep voting this up.